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		<title>By: the imbroglio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A guy walks into a bar . . . review session</title>
		<link>http://www.theimbroglio.com/2006/05/25/pre-prep-bar-issues-are-books-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>the imbroglio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A guy walks into a bar . . . review session</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The short-as-I-can-make-it story of what I&#8217;m doing here: Two weeks ago I explained my bar review situationâ€”MT Bar/Bri does not offer any self-study options other than books alone. You can either study the books on your own, or study the books plus attend classes in Missoula at the only law school in Montana. Those are your options. After talking to everyone I could about this, the consensus was that the classes are pretty important and would make studying much easier, but since the classes were a 5-hour drive from my new home in Billings, I thought I&#8217;d just try to make it w/out them. Then I got the books and started looking at them and could tell right away that trying to make sense of all that info on my own was going to be a huge task. Plus, another piece of advice I&#8217;ve often heard about the bar exam is that it&#8217;s important to do whatever you need to do to make sure you walk into the exam feeling confident and ready and like you did all you could or needed to do to be prepared. That way, you&#8217;ll be able to perform your best w/out getting psyched out. That makes sense to me and I realized that if I just studied on my own I&#8217;d walk into the exam wondering what I&#8217;d missed in the classes and second-guessing all my preparation. So I called Missoula, rented a &#8220;dorm&#8221; room, and headed to class. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The short-as-I-can-make-it story of what I&#8217;m doing here: Two weeks ago I explained my bar review situation&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;MT Bar/Bri does not offer any self-study options other than books alone. You can either study the books on your own, or study the books plus attend classes in Missoula at the only law school in Montana. Those are your options. After talking to everyone I could about this, the consensus was that the classes are pretty important and would make studying much easier, but since the classes were a 5-hour drive from my new home in Billings, I thought I&#8217;d just try to make it w/out them. Then I got the books and started looking at them and could tell right away that trying to make sense of all that info on my own was going to be a huge task. Plus, another piece of advice I&#8217;ve often heard about the bar exam is that it&#8217;s important to do whatever you need to do to make sure you walk into the exam feeling confident and ready and like you did all you could or needed to do to be prepared. That way, you&#8217;ll be able to perform your best w/out getting psyched out. That makes sense to me and I realized that if I just studied on my own I&#8217;d walk into the exam wondering what I&#8217;d missed in the classes and second-guessing all my preparation. So I called Missoula, rented a &#8220;dorm&#8221; room, and headed to class. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
		<link>http://www.theimbroglio.com/2006/05/25/pre-prep-bar-issues-are-books-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 04:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a GW Law graduate (class of 2005) who passed both the Pennsylvania and New Jersey bar exams last July.  Combined, the exams were about 18 hours (six hours each day -- Pennsylvania-specific essays on the first day (including an MPT), MBE on the second day, New Jersey-specific essays on the third day).  From what I&#039;m reading, the amount of testing I had to do seems comparable to the amount you had to do.  But given that you&#039;re taking Montana&#039;s bar exam, feel free to take my advice with a grain of salt.

Regarding the Bar/Bri situation, I&#039;m assuming that you&#039;ve already explored (and exploited, to the extent possible) all avenues of economic hardship discounts (amazingly, they actually do provide those on a limited bases -- it&#039;s worth pursuing if you haven&#039;t already).  Now, regarding the question of actually attending the classes -- it is surely a tough issue, given how you&#039;ve indicated that money is pretty tight right now.  It gets tougher when you realize that wholly secluding yourself for the entire six-weeks of preparation creates a jolt to the system to anyone but the most hardened study-veteran (i.e., the person who lived in Burns library throughout their three years of law school).  If you had any soul at all during those three years, chances are that your mind is only going to be able to take so much studying.  More likely than not, this means that having a modicum of access to friends and family will be essential to keeping your sanity. 

So what to do?  I concur with others who say that the classes are vital.  They are taught by persons who know what is normally tested on the exam, and that pinpoint knowledge is vital to being able to concentrate on the things you must concentrate on.  The books themselves do not give you that, and *every* bar exam is chiefly about allocating your time and energy to only the things you need to focus on, to the exclusion of everything else.  Passing the exam will be incredibly difficult without the Bar/Bri classes.  I also concur with the advice that says you should try and prod Bar/Bri to see which of the lectures are taped (unfortunately, a lot of them might not be taped, because given your indication that there are a small amount of people sitting for the Montana exam generally, the amount taking the Bar/Bri class will certainly be smaller -- likely too few to justify taping the lectures).  For the six multistate subjects, however, they are taped.  Therefore, for at least I&#039;d say 1/3 of the subjects you need to learn, you&#039;ll simply have to find a way to view the tapes.  If Montana Bar/Bri is anything like Pennsylvania Bar/Bri, you&#039;ll be able to check the tapes out and take them home with you to watch and study from (of course, driving them back and forth is going to be a bitch as well).

Regarding taking PMBR, I took the PMBR 3-day cram session about a week before administration of the exams.  Given that I did pretty well on my exams, I&#039;m apt to say that *if* you have the means, you should take both courses.  Stylistically, the PMBR questions more closely resembled the questions that I saw on the Multistate exam.  Moreover, as already mentioned, PMBR lets you have three CDs in the multistate subjects of your choice, that you can most certainly use (in concert with the Bar/Bri books and lectures) to help create outline for the Montana essay portions.  

If you want to talk or need more advice, just email me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a GW Law graduate (class of 2005) who passed both the Pennsylvania and New Jersey bar exams last July.  Combined, the exams were about 18 hours (six hours each day &#8212; Pennsylvania-specific essays on the first day (including an <span class="caps">MPT</span>), <span class="caps">MBE </span>on the second day, New Jersey-specific essays on the third day).  From what I&#8217;m reading, the amount of testing I had to do seems comparable to the amount you had to do.  But given that you&#8217;re taking Montana&#8217;s bar exam, feel free to take my advice with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>Regarding the Bar/Bri situation, I&#8217;m assuming that you&#8217;ve already explored (and exploited, to the extent possible) all avenues of economic hardship discounts (amazingly, they actually do provide those on a limited bases &#8212; it&#8217;s worth pursuing if you haven&#8217;t already).  Now, regarding the question of actually attending the classes &#8212; it is surely a tough issue, given how you&#8217;ve indicated that money is pretty tight right now.  It gets tougher when you realize that wholly secluding yourself for the entire six-weeks of preparation creates a jolt to the system to anyone but the most hardened study-veteran (i.e., the person who lived in Burns library throughout their three years of law school).  If you had any soul at all during those three years, chances are that your mind is only going to be able to take so much studying.  More likely than not, this means that having a modicum of access to friends and family will be essential to keeping your sanity. </p>
<p>So what to do?  I concur with others who say that the classes are vital.  They are taught by persons who know what is normally tested on the exam, and that pinpoint knowledge is vital to being able to concentrate on the things you must concentrate on.  The books themselves do not give you that, and <strong>every</strong> bar exam is chiefly about allocating your time and energy to only the things you need to focus on, to the exclusion of everything else.  Passing the exam will be incredibly difficult without the Bar/Bri classes.  I also concur with the advice that says you should try and prod Bar/Bri to see which of the lectures are taped (unfortunately, a lot of them might not be taped, because given your indication that there are a small amount of people sitting for the Montana exam generally, the amount taking the Bar/Bri class will certainly be smaller &#8212; likely too few to justify taping the lectures).  For the six multistate subjects, however, they are taped.  Therefore, for at least I&#8217;d say 1/3 of the subjects you need to learn, you&#8217;ll simply have to find a way to view the tapes.  If Montana Bar/Bri is anything like Pennsylvania Bar/Bri, you&#8217;ll be able to check the tapes out and take them home with you to watch and study from (of course, driving them back and forth is going to be a bitch as well).</p>
<p>Regarding taking <span class="caps">PMBR,</span> I took the <span class="caps">PMBR</span> 3-day cram session about a week before administration of the exams.  Given that I did pretty well on my exams, I&#8217;m apt to say that <strong>if</strong> you have the means, you should take both courses.  Stylistically, the <span class="caps">PMBR </span>questions more closely resembled the questions that I saw on the Multistate exam.  Moreover, as already mentioned, <span class="caps">PMBR </span>lets you have three CDs in the multistate subjects of your choice, that you can most certainly use (in concert with the Bar/Bri books and lectures) to help create outline for the Montana essay portions.  </p>
<p>If you want to talk or need more advice, just email me.</p>
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		<title>By: ti</title>
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		<dc:creator>ti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M: I agree -- the tapes for the MBE at least should be the same nationwide so why aren&#039;t they available in MT? Maybe b/c as &quot;ap&quot; says -- it&#039;s soooooooo cheap. Perhaps I&#039;m getting what I pay for. I&#039;ll look into getting the CDs or something from elsewhere.

Audacity: I&#039;m not really convinced about PMBR -- I&#039;ve heard mixed reviews. A friend just told me that the PMBR questions are real but rejected MBE questions, so they&#039;re generally harder or more random than what you&#039;ll actually encounter. The BarBri MBE review questions are made up, so they&#039;re easier but more like what you&#039;ll actually see on the test. Was that your experience? I have this feeling that I&#039;ll be doing well to master all the multiple choice practice BarBri provides... 

j9: Sorry, I forgot to mention this before, but if you&#039;re not using the latest (at least 2.0) version of Safari this site looks awful and totally unreadable. If you haven&#039;t upgraded to Mac OS 10.4 and the latest version of Safari, try Firefox or just subscribe to the RSS in bloglines or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsfirerss.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NewsFire&lt;/a&gt;. It looks much better that way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M: I agree &#8212; the tapes for the <span class="caps">MBE </span>at least should be the same nationwide so why aren&#8217;t they available in MT? Maybe b/c as &#8220;ap&#8221; says &#8212; it&#8217;s soooooooo cheap. Perhaps I&#8217;m getting what I pay for. I&#8217;ll look into getting the CDs or something from elsewhere.</p>
<p>Audacity: I&#8217;m not really convinced about <span class="caps">PMBR </span>&#8211; I&#8217;ve heard mixed reviews. A friend just told me that the <span class="caps">PMBR </span>questions are real but rejected <span class="caps">MBE </span>questions, so they&#8217;re generally harder or more random than what you&#8217;ll actually encounter. The BarBri <span class="caps">MBE </span>review questions are made up, so they&#8217;re easier but more like what you&#8217;ll actually see on the test. Was that your experience? I have this feeling that I&#8217;ll be doing well to master all the multiple choice practice BarBri provides&#8230; </p>
<p>j9: Sorry, I forgot to mention this before, but if you&#8217;re not using the latest (at least 2.0) version of Safari this site looks awful and totally unreadable. If you haven&#8217;t upgraded to Mac OS 10.4 and the latest version of Safari, try Firefox or just subscribe to the <span class="caps">RSS </span>in bloglines or <a href="http://www.newsfirerss.com/" rel="nofollow">NewsFire</a>. It looks much better that way!</p>
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		<title>By: ap</title>
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		<dc:creator>ap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2006 05:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is dsooooooooooooooo cheap. i am so jealous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is dsooooooooooooooo cheap. i am so jealous.</p>
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		<title>By: Audacity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 23:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should sign up for PMBR as well.  In Georgia, the non-class version was only a couple hundred bucks and came with two THOROUGHLY FANTASTIC multiple choice books and three CDs with lectures.  I downloaded the three CDs onto my iPod and I was good to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should sign up for <span class="caps">PMBR </span>as well.  In Georgia, the non-class version was only a couple hundred bucks and came with two <span class="caps">THOROUGHLY FANTASTIC </span>multiple choice books and three CDs with lectures.  I downloaded the three CDs onto my iPod and I was good to go.</p>
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		<title>By: j9</title>
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		<dc:creator>j9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 16:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind your footnotes, but this new color scheme is driving me a little crazy -- hard to read the orange-on-orange and gray-on-orange.  Is this just something showing up weird on my computer (Mac w/ Safari?)  

j9</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind your footnotes, but this new color scheme is driving me a little crazy &#8212; hard to read the orange-on-orange and gray-on-orange.  Is this just something showing up weird on my computer (Mac w/ Safari?)  </p>
<p>j9</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 15:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh -- and that&#039;s not the way it is in Maryland -- they send tapes if you are live somewhere where they don&#039;t offer classes nearby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh &#8212; and that&#8217;s not the way it is in Maryland &#8212; they send tapes if you are live somewhere where they don&#8217;t offer classes nearby.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 15:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s insane that there&#039;s no tape/ipod option. The classes are pretty important -- it gives you the main points you&#039;re likely to be tested on. The least they should do is be able to send tapes on the multistate subjects from some other jurisdiction -- if Montana BarBri isn&#039;t helpful I would complain to the national BarBri offices -- they should be able to send you something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s insane that there&#8217;s no tape/ipod option. The classes are pretty important &#8212; it gives you the main points you&#8217;re likely to be tested on. The least they should do is be able to send tapes on the multistate subjects from some other jurisdiction &#8212; if Montana BarBri isn&#8217;t helpful I would complain to the national BarBri offices &#8212; they should be able to send you something.</p>
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