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	<description>The ratio of people to cake is too big.</description>
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		<title>By: the imbroglio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; There are ponies</title>
		<link>http://www.theimbroglio.com/06/13/2006/job-news-ah-oh/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>the imbroglio &#187; Blog Archive &#187; There are ponies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Remember my agonizing from just a couple of weeks ago? You know, when I thought there was no way I was going to get the job I wanted? Turns out it was all for nothing. I got the call late last week to set up the interview, interviewed earlier this week, and got the offer later the same day. I am now a Montana Public Defender! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Remember my agonizing from just a couple of weeks ago? You know, when I thought there was no way I was going to get the job I wanted? Turns out it was all for nothing. I got the call late last week to set up the interview, interviewed earlier this week, and got the offer later the same day. I am now a Montana Public Defender! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: monica</title>
		<link>http://www.theimbroglio.com/06/13/2006/job-news-ah-oh/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOTL: They make you do that in Maryland.  If you volunteer for like 6 months, then you can have an interview.  I think that&#039;s retarded.  But voluntarily doing it in a state where they don&#039;t require it is probably a good idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOTL: They make you do that in Maryland.  If you volunteer for like 6 months, then you can have an interview.  I think that&#8217;s retarded.  But voluntarily doing it in a state where they don&#8217;t require it is probably a good idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: womanofthelaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>womanofthelaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worst comes to worst?  you have to wait for it.  I know plenty of people who have gambled with one state public defender office... sometimes it just takes a few months for things to open up.  L. said she&#039;d support you, right?  Sometimes if you volunteer with them long enough, they can&#039;t fire you anymore either... so they HAVE to start paying you.  I heard about one girl who wanted a job with a DA&#039;s office so bad that she volunteered with them for A YEAR after she graduated.  Not sure how she paid her bills, but by then they hired her as a first year and she already had a year experience!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst comes to worst?  you have to wait for it.  I know plenty of people who have gambled with one state public defender office&#8230; sometimes it just takes a few months for things to open up.  L. said she&#8217;d support you, right?  Sometimes if you volunteer with them long enough, they can&#8217;t fire you anymore either&#8230; so they HAVE to start paying you.  I heard about one girl who wanted a job with a DA&#8217;s office so bad that she volunteered with them for A YEAR after she graduated.  Not sure how she paid her bills, but by then they hired her as a first year and she already had a year experience!</p>
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		<title>By: ti</title>
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		<dc:creator>ti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the encouragement and suggestions. I&#039;ll definitely look into the solo thing, but that option is complicated by the fact that the new state public defender office is hiring &quot;contract attorneys&quot; to take care of any cases it can&#039;t handle. So I&#039;d still have to be hired by the state, or win a contract, to get court-appointed work. So probably a better bet would be to try to get a job w/a small firm or w/legal aid or, as She Says suggested, the city or county. And as LawGrrl suggested, looking for mentors, networking, maybe some informational interviews. I&#039;ll be keeping my eyes open and I&#039;m still confident I&#039;ll find *something.* I would really like that thing to be indigent crimminal defense, but....  

Will: It&#039;s good to hear you&#039;ve heard nothing either. I know they&#039;re swamped right now so I&#039;m not giving up hope that things could seriously change in the next 4-5 months between now and the time I actually am licensed to  practice (knock wood).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the encouragement and suggestions. I&#8217;ll definitely look into the solo thing, but that option is complicated by the fact that the new state public defender office is hiring &#8220;contract attorneys&#8221; to take care of any cases it can&#8217;t handle. So I&#8217;d still have to be hired by the state, or win a contract, to get court-appointed work. So probably a better bet would be to try to get a job w/a small firm or w/legal aid or, as She Says suggested, the city or county. And as LawGrrl suggested, looking for mentors, networking, maybe some informational interviews. I&#8217;ll be keeping my eyes open and I&#8217;m still confident I&#8217;ll find *something.* I would really like that thing to be indigent crimminal defense, but&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Will: It&#8217;s good to hear you&#8217;ve heard nothing either. I know they&#8217;re swamped right now so I&#8217;m not giving up hope that things could seriously change in the next 4-5 months between now and the time I actually am licensed to  practice (knock wood).</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applied for the same job, said I was available in all offices in MT, will have two years experience as a law clerk by the time I can start, and I haven&#039;t heard a word from them yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applied for the same job, said I was available in all offices in MT, will have two years experience as a law clerk by the time I can start, and I haven&#8217;t heard a word from them yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Brogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Brogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>::sigh:: Sucks, I know, Ambib.  Everyone else has offered what advice there is to offer from friends who have no connections to actually help, so I won&#039;t add my same two cents.  But, I AM rooting for you and hoping (believing) that it will all work out.  Sometimes, the cart just does go before the horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>::sigh:: Sucks, I know, Ambib.  Everyone else has offered what advice there is to offer from friends who have no connections to actually help, so I won&#8217;t add my same two cents.  But, I AM rooting for you and hoping (believing) that it will all work out.  Sometimes, the cart just does go before the horse.</p>
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		<title>By: E. McPan</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. McPan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck if you go legal secretary like me.  :)  Wish I could help but the only people I know in Montana are distant relatives and a parrot named Fred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck if you go legal secretary like me.  :)  Wish I could help but the only people I know in Montana are distant relatives and a parrot named Fred.</p>
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		<title>By: LawGrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>LawGrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So worst case scenario, you don&#039;t get the job. Then, just do what plenty of solos do, sign up for court assigned criminal cases (they must have something like that in MT, no?) and take em&#039; as you can. Malpractice insurance doesn&#039;t cost much, esp.  when you start out because you don&#039;t have a &quot;history&quot; of cases to insure against malpractice as well as the current load.  Get involved with the local bar and seek a mentor. Start your own crim. defense practice, charge a reasonable and/or sliding scale rate to your non-assigned cases. ... it can be done.... for inspiration see MyShingle at you know where....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So worst case scenario, you don&#8217;t get the job. Then, just do what plenty of solos do, sign up for court assigned criminal cases (they must have something like that in MT, no?) and take em&#8217; as you can. Malpractice insurance doesn&#8217;t cost much, esp.  when you start out because you don&#8217;t have a &#8220;history&#8221; of cases to insure against malpractice as well as the current load.  Get involved with the local bar and seek a mentor. Start your own crim. defense practice, charge a reasonable and/or sliding scale rate to your non-assigned cases. &#8230; it can be done&#8230;. for inspiration see MyShingle at you know where&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: She says</title>
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		<dc:creator>She says</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, that&#039;s sucky news.  But don&#039;t draw any conclusions until you get the final word.  Stuff is bound to turn up.  I got my fingers crossed for ya&#039;.

Also, you might try looking with local government entities -- the city, the county, whatever.  Getting experience is what&#039;s important.

Hang in there and good luck!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, that&#8217;s sucky news.  But don&#8217;t draw any conclusions until you get the final word.  Stuff is bound to turn up.  I got my fingers crossed for ya&#8217;.</p>
<p>Also, you might try looking with local government entities &#8212; the city, the county, whatever.  Getting experience is what&#8217;s important.</p>
<p>Hang in there and good luck!!!</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you look into Americorp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you look into Americorp?</p>
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